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		<title>By: Saturday Matinee &#187; Project Bandaloop: Redefining Dance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saturday Matinee &#187; Project Bandaloop: Redefining Dance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Last week, I got an opportunity to fly down to southern California for my dad&#8217;s 58th birthday, and while I was there, I finally got to experience Fall For Dance, which took place in Orange County. After hearing about raves of how cool the New York Fall For Dance was, I had somewhat high expectations about the show I was going to see. Overall - it was a tad disappointing. Apparently, pointe shoes in ballet companies is so yesterday, while dancing in complete silence is (I think almost every contemporary piece started out with dancers starting in complete silence.) After a while, I actually wanted to see a sequined tutu. But in the midst of contemporary experimentation, there were some gems, and it really was a great way for audiences to see many dance companies in one sitting, like a dessert sampler at a restaurant. I got to see the Martha Graham Dance Company for the first time as well. A personal highlight was meeting Miki Orihara, who is a phenomenal dancer. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Last week, I got an opportunity to fly down to southern California for my dad&#8217;s 58th birthday, and while I was there, I finally got to experience Fall For Dance, which took place in Orange County. After hearing about raves of how cool the New York Fall For Dance was, I had somewhat high expectations about the show I was going to see. Overall &#8211; it was a tad disappointing. Apparently, pointe shoes in ballet companies is so yesterday, while dancing in complete silence is (I think almost every contemporary piece started out with dancers starting in complete silence.) After a while, I actually wanted to see a sequined tutu. But in the midst of contemporary experimentation, there were some gems, and it really was a great way for audiences to see many dance companies in one sitting, like a dessert sampler at a restaurant. I got to see the Martha Graham Dance Company for the first time as well. A personal highlight was meeting Miki Orihara, who is a phenomenal dancer. [...]</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ...Blogged about at  Yay, Christopher Wheeldon Saves Ballet! And Wendy Whelan :) And Pasha! - swan lake samba girl,          - Last Updated - 1 minutes ago&#160;       &#160; Follow This Story    &#160; Change Your Location San Francisco, CA  &#160; Email This Story  &#160; Print    Got something to say about this story, post your blog here and tell the world. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8230;Blogged about at  Yay, Christopher Wheeldon Saves Ballet! And Wendy Whelan <img src='http://www.tonyaplank.com/swan_lake_samba_girl/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  And Pasha! &#8211; swan lake samba girl,          &#8211; Last Updated &#8211; 1 minutes ago&nbsp;       &nbsp; Follow This Story    &nbsp; Change Your Location San Francisco, CA  &nbsp; Email This Story  &nbsp; Print    Got something to say about this story, post your blog here and tell the world. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Swan Lake Samba Girl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Morphoses Free Open Rehearsal! &#124; Tonya Plank &#124; Writer, Dancer and Public Interest Lawyer</title>
		<link>http://www.tonyaplank.com/swan_lake_samba_girl/2007/10/05/yay-christopher-wheeldon-saves-ballet-and-wendy-whelan-and-pasha/comment-page-1/#comment-20851</link>
		<dc:creator>Swan Lake Samba Girl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Morphoses Free Open Rehearsal! &#124; Tonya Plank &#124; Writer, Dancer and Public Interest Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 04:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For people in NY (or nearby), Morphoses (which I blogged about earlier when they premiered here at Fall For Dance) is going to have a free, open-to-the-public rehearsal next Friday, October 19th at 4:00 p.m. at City Center. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For people in NY (or nearby), Morphoses (which I blogged about earlier when they premiered here at Fall For Dance) is going to have a free, open-to-the-public rehearsal next Friday, October 19th at 4:00 p.m. at City Center. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tonya</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a great analogy, Natalia! Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a great analogy, Natalia! Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Swan Lake Samba Girl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dissing of Kyle Abraham And Shallowness of Ballet World Is Marring My Pasha Excitement &#124; Tonya Plank &#124; Writer, Dancer and Public Interest Lawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swan Lake Samba Girl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dissing of Kyle Abraham And Shallowness of Ballet World Is Marring My Pasha Excitement &#124; Tonya Plank &#124; Writer, Dancer and Public Interest Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What I&#8217;m really upset about is how shallow the world of ballet seems to be. At the Fall For Dance festival a few days ago I saw a most profound, moving work performed by African American dance-maker Kyle Abraham. As I wrote earlier, to me the piece used a combination of ballet, modern dance and hip hop to explore racial and gender issues and evoke the struggle to break free of prejudices &#8212; both those held by others and sometimes subtly taken on yourself. I&#8217;m very upset about the complete dismissal and oversight of Abraham&#8217;s work by both the press and the blogosphere. NYTimes chief dance critic Alastair Macaulay says only of the work that it was show-offy and involved too much upper-body &#8220;archness.&#8221; (Macaulay also criticized Wheeldon&#8217;s &#8220;After the Rain,&#8221; which I liked, but I&#8217;m not bothered by that because he actually gave it the time of day and analyzed it a teensy tiny bit; I&#8217;m far more disturbed by his complete dismissal of the meaning inherent in Abraham with no real analysis to speak of). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What I&#8217;m really upset about is how shallow the world of ballet seems to be. At the Fall For Dance festival a few days ago I saw a most profound, moving work performed by African American dance-maker Kyle Abraham. As I wrote earlier, to me the piece used a combination of ballet, modern dance and hip hop to explore racial and gender issues and evoke the struggle to break free of prejudices &#8212; both those held by others and sometimes subtly taken on yourself. I&#8217;m very upset about the complete dismissal and oversight of Abraham&#8217;s work by both the press and the blogosphere. NYTimes chief dance critic Alastair Macaulay says only of the work that it was show-offy and involved too much upper-body &#8220;archness.&#8221; (Macaulay also criticized Wheeldon&#8217;s &#8220;After the Rain,&#8221; which I liked, but I&#8217;m not bothered by that because he actually gave it the time of day and analyzed it a teensy tiny bit; I&#8217;m far more disturbed by his complete dismissal of the meaning inherent in Abraham with no real analysis to speak of). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Couples &#187; Yay, Christopher Wheeldon Saves Ballet! And Wendy Whelan :) And Pasha!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Couples &#187; Yay, Christopher Wheeldon Saves Ballet! And Wendy Whelan :) And Pasha!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 15:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gil Zeimer wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptThey performed â€œLove Songsâ€ â€” several humorous duets performed by three different couples, pieces of which Iâ€™ve seen before. Each couple had its own distinct â€˜couple personality,â€™ and told its own humorous story of relationship angst. &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Gil Zeimer wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptThey performed â€œLove Songsâ€ â€” several humorous duets performed by three different couples, pieces of which Iâ€™ve seen before. Each couple had its own distinct â€˜couple personality,â€™ and told its own humorous story of relationship angst. &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Natalia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does seem a little ridiculous to judge a piece of art only on its execution, not on its message.  Seems a little bit like focusing on Andy Warhol&#039;s sloppy screen-printing technique while ignoring his art&#039;s commentary on pop culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does seem a little ridiculous to judge a piece of art only on its execution, not on its message.  Seems a little bit like focusing on Andy Warhol&#8217;s sloppy screen-printing technique while ignoring his art&#8217;s commentary on pop culture.</p>
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		<title>By: tonya</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and also, like you mentioned with the US and UK artists including in their work videos and photos from Africa, Asia and Eastern Europe, I feel like that&#039;s the future of ballet -- incorporating different kinds of movement with ballet to create something unique. That&#039;s what great choreographers of the past basically did: Balanchine (ballet + American jazz), Tharp (ballet with social dance), Robbins (ballet with jazz and social), and modern dance greats Dunham and  Duncan -- it&#039;s time now to expand even beyond America -- there&#039;s a whole world out there, let&#039;s finally acknowledge it ballet choreographers of tomorrow!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and also, like you mentioned with the US and UK artists including in their work videos and photos from Africa, Asia and Eastern Europe, I feel like that&#8217;s the future of ballet &#8212; incorporating different kinds of movement with ballet to create something unique. That&#8217;s what great choreographers of the past basically did: Balanchine (ballet + American jazz), Tharp (ballet with social dance), Robbins (ballet with jazz and social), and modern dance greats Dunham and  Duncan &#8212; it&#8217;s time now to expand even beyond America &#8212; there&#8217;s a whole world out there, let&#8217;s finally acknowledge it ballet choreographers of tomorrow!!!</p>
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		<title>By: tonya</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 20:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s really interesting, Natalia! Thanks for pointing it out. I&#039;ve been reading a lot of visual art reviews lately -- mainly because of this little argument going on in the ballet world about whether dance reviews are worse than other arts reviews -- and I hadn&#039;t really thought about it, but now that you mention it, from the reviews I&#039;ve read, there does seem to be very little abstract visual art out there right now. That&#039;s really interesting how one art form may run contrary to the rest and what that means for that art form.

What is also upsetting me is how critics and others are insisting on viewingand judging everything on abstract (I guess ballet) terms. With a lot of these non-ballet dance performances, I feel like there&#039;s a key there, there&#039;s something going on, there is some kind of representation, but the critics (not all but many) are looking only at the movement, how beautiful and awkward it is, judging it on those terms, and completely dismissing it if it doesn&#039;t live up to their standard of beauty. It&#039;s like people are afraid of representation because that&#039;s &quot;political.&quot;

In particular, it&#039;s really really upsetting me how people are dismissing Kyle Abraham&#039;s work, which I wrote about in the post (kind of interesting combo of hip hop and ballet). Here is this African American man doing something that is so clearly meant to evoke racial injustice and the constricting nature of gender stereotypes and all everyone can say is that he only uses his upper body (chief NYTimes dance critic Alastair Macaulay), or, although he combined hip hop with other movement the structure wasn&#039;t sound (Justin Peck on the Winger). So, basically everyone is critiquing in terms of the movement vocabulary and not anything more. I want to post more on this when I have more time to gather my thoughts, but I just wish critics and others would look more at meaning and representation and what the movement is trying to convey or evoke. If they still want to criticize the limited movement vocabulary then fine, but at least try to unlock what is actually going on in the piece.

But of course a lot of the current ballet out there is intentionally abstract and there isn&#039;t supposed to be real &#039;meaning,&#039; so that&#039;s likely what&#039;s compelling them to look at &lt;strong&gt;everything&lt;/strong&gt; that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s really interesting, Natalia! Thanks for pointing it out. I&#8217;ve been reading a lot of visual art reviews lately &#8212; mainly because of this little argument going on in the ballet world about whether dance reviews are worse than other arts reviews &#8212; and I hadn&#8217;t really thought about it, but now that you mention it, from the reviews I&#8217;ve read, there does seem to be very little abstract visual art out there right now. That&#8217;s really interesting how one art form may run contrary to the rest and what that means for that art form.</p>
<p>What is also upsetting me is how critics and others are insisting on viewingand judging everything on abstract (I guess ballet) terms. With a lot of these non-ballet dance performances, I feel like there&#8217;s a key there, there&#8217;s something going on, there is some kind of representation, but the critics (not all but many) are looking only at the movement, how beautiful and awkward it is, judging it on those terms, and completely dismissing it if it doesn&#8217;t live up to their standard of beauty. It&#8217;s like people are afraid of representation because that&#8217;s &#8220;political.&#8221;</p>
<p>In particular, it&#8217;s really really upsetting me how people are dismissing Kyle Abraham&#8217;s work, which I wrote about in the post (kind of interesting combo of hip hop and ballet). Here is this African American man doing something that is so clearly meant to evoke racial injustice and the constricting nature of gender stereotypes and all everyone can say is that he only uses his upper body (chief NYTimes dance critic Alastair Macaulay), or, although he combined hip hop with other movement the structure wasn&#8217;t sound (Justin Peck on the Winger). So, basically everyone is critiquing in terms of the movement vocabulary and not anything more. I want to post more on this when I have more time to gather my thoughts, but I just wish critics and others would look more at meaning and representation and what the movement is trying to convey or evoke. If they still want to criticize the limited movement vocabulary then fine, but at least try to unlock what is actually going on in the piece.</p>
<p>But of course a lot of the current ballet out there is intentionally abstract and there isn&#8217;t supposed to be real &#8216;meaning,&#8217; so that&#8217;s likely what&#8217;s compelling them to look at <strong>everything</strong> that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking about how you described one of the ballets as abstract, and I think you may be touching on something really key.

I was thinking, what are the big overriding themes in new visual arts right now. Like in 50 years, how will art critics describe the major art movements of the turn of the 21st century? I&#039;ve been to a handul of exhibitions of up-and-coming artsts, etc over the past year, and there are definitely some major themes: Most of the art I saw was representational - there was very little abstract art at all, and what was abstract in concept was created out of familliar and recognizable items or images. Portraits and art depicting people is lately very realistic and unidealized (Oddly, a lot of stuf reminded me of the classic Flemish paintings of maids and traidsmen) A lot of artists are working with taking handcrafts and folk arts and incorporating them into high art. Also, both in the US and UK, I saw a number of large works incorporating photo and video from Africa, Asia and Eastern Europe.

In that context, it doesn&#039;t really seem like abstraction is really a major theme in the art world right now. Abstract dances portraying idealized characters seem to run completely counter to where other art is going. The other dances you described seemed closer to the current multi-cultural, DIY, realities-of-daily-life aesthetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about how you described one of the ballets as abstract, and I think you may be touching on something really key.</p>
<p>I was thinking, what are the big overriding themes in new visual arts right now. Like in 50 years, how will art critics describe the major art movements of the turn of the 21st century? I&#8217;ve been to a handul of exhibitions of up-and-coming artsts, etc over the past year, and there are definitely some major themes: Most of the art I saw was representational &#8211; there was very little abstract art at all, and what was abstract in concept was created out of familliar and recognizable items or images. Portraits and art depicting people is lately very realistic and unidealized (Oddly, a lot of stuf reminded me of the classic Flemish paintings of maids and traidsmen) A lot of artists are working with taking handcrafts and folk arts and incorporating them into high art. Also, both in the US and UK, I saw a number of large works incorporating photo and video from Africa, Asia and Eastern Europe.</p>
<p>In that context, it doesn&#8217;t really seem like abstraction is really a major theme in the art world right now. Abstract dances portraying idealized characters seem to run completely counter to where other art is going. The other dances you described seemed closer to the current multi-cultural, DIY, realities-of-daily-life aesthetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Swan Lake Samba Girl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; American Ballet Theater at the Guggenheim! &#124; Tonya Plank &#124; Writer, Dancer and Public Interest Lawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swan Lake Samba Girl &#187; Blog Archive &#187; American Ballet Theater at the Guggenheim! &#124; Tonya Plank &#124; Writer, Dancer and Public Interest Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Swan Lake Samba Girl Tonya&#8217;s dance blog, where she muses about Ballet, Ballroom, and the trials and tribulations of being a skinny white girl learning Latin&#8230;      &#171; Yay, Christopher Wheeldon Saves Ballet! And Wendy Whelan :) And Pasha! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Swan Lake Samba Girl Tonya&#8217;s dance blog, where she muses about Ballet, Ballroom, and the trials and tribulations of being a skinny white girl learning Latin&#8230;      &laquo; Yay, Christopher Wheeldon Saves Ballet! And Wendy Whelan <img src='http://www.tonyaplank.com/swan_lake_samba_girl/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  And Pasha! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Selly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Selly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iâ€™m very very happy to find another fan of both SYTYCD / ballroom AND ballet!!! There arenâ€™t many of us!
===x===
Yeah. I&#039;ve taken ballroom before... from my old ballet teacher... at a summer camp... 6 years ago... but I did like it! And it&#039;s pretty amazing to watch.

Selly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iâ€™m very very happy to find another fan of both SYTYCD / ballroom AND ballet!!! There arenâ€™t many of us!<br />
===x===<br />
Yeah. I&#8217;ve taken ballroom before&#8230; from my old ballet teacher&#8230; at a summer camp&#8230; 6 years ago&#8230; but I did like it! And it&#8217;s pretty amazing to watch.</p>
<p>Selly</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 05:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tonya  -  as always, your thoughts are very perceptive and stimulating.  I think Paul Parish makes a good point - young people have more exposure to recordings of operas and more exposure to the visual arts as well (both at home and in school)  than they do to ballet and as we all know, ballet does not translate well to film.  There is no question in my mind that while most young people have extremely inadequate exposure to the arts in general while growing up, it is nonethless true that more of them have had some experience of opera in their homes than of ballet.  Another factor to take into account  is that of the ongoing problem  so many men in this country have with ballet - the &quot;homophobic factor&quot;.  We&#039;ve made some progress in society with regard to this issue but there is still such a long way to go.  The sad fact is that a woman - especially a young woman -  can more easily persuade a guy she is dating (or is married to) to attend an opera than a ballet.

We should also keep in mind that ballet companies have by and large done a lousy job of marketing themselves to the public.  One significant piece of evidence for the importance of marketing is what happened with New York City Ballet&#039;s very effective marketing of Romeo and Juliet last season.  As you yourself noted, that ballet was sold out or virtually sold out for every performance.  Why?  Because the company marketed the ballet in a way that Broadway producers market their plays and musicals.  And guess what?  Whatever the critics might have said, the great majority of people who attended R &amp; J really enjoyed it - and just might come back for more.  I make that observation from personal experience because I saw R &amp; J three times - twice at the State Theater and once at Saratoga Springs and I was amazed at how enthusiastically people (many of whom had never attended a ballet before) responded to it.

Finally, let us not forget an important point you have already made - for ballet to thrive, it is still critical that new choreographers emerge who, while preserving the essential forms and vocabulary of classical ballet, still succeed in rethinking and reinventing it for a new generation.  Petipa accomplished that for a 19th century audience and Balanchine did the same for a 20th century audience.  Hopefully, Wheeldon (or some future choreographer inspired by Wheeldon) will do the same for our 21st century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonya  &#8211;  as always, your thoughts are very perceptive and stimulating.  I think Paul Parish makes a good point &#8211; young people have more exposure to recordings of operas and more exposure to the visual arts as well (both at home and in school)  than they do to ballet and as we all know, ballet does not translate well to film.  There is no question in my mind that while most young people have extremely inadequate exposure to the arts in general while growing up, it is nonethless true that more of them have had some experience of opera in their homes than of ballet.  Another factor to take into account  is that of the ongoing problem  so many men in this country have with ballet &#8211; the &#8220;homophobic factor&#8221;.  We&#8217;ve made some progress in society with regard to this issue but there is still such a long way to go.  The sad fact is that a woman &#8211; especially a young woman &#8211;  can more easily persuade a guy she is dating (or is married to) to attend an opera than a ballet.</p>
<p>We should also keep in mind that ballet companies have by and large done a lousy job of marketing themselves to the public.  One significant piece of evidence for the importance of marketing is what happened with New York City Ballet&#8217;s very effective marketing of Romeo and Juliet last season.  As you yourself noted, that ballet was sold out or virtually sold out for every performance.  Why?  Because the company marketed the ballet in a way that Broadway producers market their plays and musicals.  And guess what?  Whatever the critics might have said, the great majority of people who attended R &amp; J really enjoyed it &#8211; and just might come back for more.  I make that observation from personal experience because I saw R &amp; J three times &#8211; twice at the State Theater and once at Saratoga Springs and I was amazed at how enthusiastically people (many of whom had never attended a ballet before) responded to it.</p>
<p>Finally, let us not forget an important point you have already made &#8211; for ballet to thrive, it is still critical that new choreographers emerge who, while preserving the essential forms and vocabulary of classical ballet, still succeed in rethinking and reinventing it for a new generation.  Petipa accomplished that for a 19th century audience and Balanchine did the same for a 20th century audience.  Hopefully, Wheeldon (or some future choreographer inspired by Wheeldon) will do the same for our 21st century.</p>
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		<dc:creator>tonya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 03:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Selly -- thanks for finding that Morphoses video, I hadn&#039;t seen it:

http://danceoutlook.blogspot.com/2007/10/christopher-wheeldons-morphoses.html

I don&#039;t know what that&#039;s from, but it looks like I&#039;ll be finding out soon! Yeah, they&#039;re the talk of the town here; I just saw a preview at Fall For Dance but I&#039;m pretty excited to see their season which is coming up in two weeks. I&#039;m very very happy to find another fan of both SYTYCD / ballroom AND ballet!!! There aren&#039;t many of us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Selly &#8212; thanks for finding that Morphoses video, I hadn&#8217;t seen it:</p>
<p><a href="http://danceoutlook.blogspot.com/2007/10/christopher-wheeldons-morphoses.html" rel="nofollow">http://danceoutlook.blogspot.com/2007/10/christopher-wheeldons-morphoses.html</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what that&#8217;s from, but it looks like I&#8217;ll be finding out soon! Yeah, they&#8217;re the talk of the town here; I just saw a preview at Fall For Dance but I&#8217;m pretty excited to see their season which is coming up in two weeks. I&#8217;m very very happy to find another fan of both SYTYCD / ballroom AND ballet!!! There aren&#8217;t many of us!</p>
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		<title>By: Selly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Selly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 01:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I just looked up a video of Morphoses and that is pretty dang amazing. I will be forever intrigued by ballet, wherever it goes. Whether that be back to rigid European technique or moving forward to even more abstract yet oh so organic contemporary choreography, I will always want to be a part of, if that means dancing, choreographing, teaching, or even ending up as a silent spectator of the art form. It&#039;s crazy how there&#039;s the fusion of classical and crazy new choreography out there.

Stay on your toes,

Selly

P.S. When I first saw the name of this post on Technorati, I&#039;m thinking &quot;How the heck did Pasha of all people save ballet???&quot;. Then I actually read the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I just looked up a video of Morphoses and that is pretty dang amazing. I will be forever intrigued by ballet, wherever it goes. Whether that be back to rigid European technique or moving forward to even more abstract yet oh so organic contemporary choreography, I will always want to be a part of, if that means dancing, choreographing, teaching, or even ending up as a silent spectator of the art form. It&#8217;s crazy how there&#8217;s the fusion of classical and crazy new choreography out there.</p>
<p>Stay on your toes,</p>
<p>Selly</p>
<p>P.S. When I first saw the name of this post on Technorati, I&#8217;m thinking &#8220;How the heck did Pasha of all people save ballet???&#8221;. Then I actually read the post.</p>
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		<title>By: tonya</title>
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		<dc:creator>tonya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bob -- well, I also think things like Batty Moves and other work by Urban  Bush Women (I saw a bit of it at Jacob&#039;s Pillow) speaks to a younger audience in its social relevance; people see real, contemporary meaning in it and can relate it to their own lives and what they see in the world around them. Black women&#039;s bodies are deemed not traditionally beautiful, so something that challenges that, especially with really fun -- and probably for many, exotic -- African dance is really engaging.  

I understand what you mean about people needing to develop the aesthetic sensibility to appreciate classical (and I think even contemporary) ballet, but I still don&#039;t understand why the opera and visual arts are not having the same kind of problem attracting the young. Whenever I go to the opera I see tons of young people (up in the nosebleed section with me!) but they&#039;re still there, trying it. And whenever I walk around Chelsea browzing art galleries, same thing, I see a bunch of people in their 20s and 30s walking around clutching their Time Out NY gallery listings, looking for the galleries they circled as having an exhibit they were interested in. And these aren&#039;t really arty types, just regular people. We&#039;ve been having this discussion about why young people will try an opera before a ballet at the Foot in Mouth blog and critic Paul Parish believes it&#039;s mainly because ballet doesn&#039;t translate as well to film (so that they&#039;re not able to go out and try a video first, or become interested in ballet through inexpensively watching it at home), whereas opera does record well on CD, so they&#039;re able to go buy a  CD recording at the store and become hooked on that listening to it over and over again, which leads them to the opera house to see it live.  I wonder if there&#039;s also possibly a disconnect between the more popular forms of dance -- either on TV or dance like BAtty Moves that has clear relevance to their lives -- and abstract ballet. I don&#039;t know... I don&#039;t really think ballet lacks relevance so much; I think it&#039;s more that it&#039;s hard to discern meaning in some things and people don&#039;t understand a lot of it. And there just isn&#039;t a lot of really good arts writing to help them out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob &#8212; well, I also think things like Batty Moves and other work by Urban  Bush Women (I saw a bit of it at Jacob&#8217;s Pillow) speaks to a younger audience in its social relevance; people see real, contemporary meaning in it and can relate it to their own lives and what they see in the world around them. Black women&#8217;s bodies are deemed not traditionally beautiful, so something that challenges that, especially with really fun &#8212; and probably for many, exotic &#8212; African dance is really engaging.  </p>
<p>I understand what you mean about people needing to develop the aesthetic sensibility to appreciate classical (and I think even contemporary) ballet, but I still don&#8217;t understand why the opera and visual arts are not having the same kind of problem attracting the young. Whenever I go to the opera I see tons of young people (up in the nosebleed section with me!) but they&#8217;re still there, trying it. And whenever I walk around Chelsea browzing art galleries, same thing, I see a bunch of people in their 20s and 30s walking around clutching their Time Out NY gallery listings, looking for the galleries they circled as having an exhibit they were interested in. And these aren&#8217;t really arty types, just regular people. We&#8217;ve been having this discussion about why young people will try an opera before a ballet at the Foot in Mouth blog and critic Paul Parish believes it&#8217;s mainly because ballet doesn&#8217;t translate as well to film (so that they&#8217;re not able to go out and try a video first, or become interested in ballet through inexpensively watching it at home), whereas opera does record well on CD, so they&#8217;re able to go buy a  CD recording at the store and become hooked on that listening to it over and over again, which leads them to the opera house to see it live.  I wonder if there&#8217;s also possibly a disconnect between the more popular forms of dance &#8212; either on TV or dance like BAtty Moves that has clear relevance to their lives &#8212; and abstract ballet. I don&#8217;t know&#8230; I don&#8217;t really think ballet lacks relevance so much; I think it&#8217;s more that it&#8217;s hard to discern meaning in some things and people don&#8217;t understand a lot of it. And there just isn&#8217;t a lot of really good arts writing to help them out.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 04:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s great that Christopher Wheeldon is trying to make ballet more relevant to young people but keep in mind that most young people who are willing to go to dance events are still  likely to prefer &quot;Love Songs&quot; and &quot;Batty Moves&quot; to any type of classical ballet, including such masterpieces as Swan Lake, Sleeping Beauty, Giselle, Serenade, Concerto BArocco, and Symphony in C.   This is, after all, the age of rap and hip hop and most young people have not yet developed the personal maturity and aesthetic taste to appreciate the classical and neoclassical works of such great choreographers as Petipa, Fokine, Balanchine, Ashton and Robbins.  That&#039;s the bad news but it&#039;s no reason for despair.  Because the good news is that if they start to develop some appreciation of dance when they are young, they might eventually, as they get a little older, develop an understanding and appreciation of classical and neoclassical ballet.  I did not start attending the ballet on a regular basis until I was 40 years old and at that time most of the other people in the audience were older (and in many cases, much older) than I.  I think that has always been the case.  So yes, it&#039;s wonderful that Wheeldon is trying to reach out to a younger audience and there are others who share Wheeldon&#039;s vision and will support his efforts but don&#039;t expect the audiences for future Morphoses programs to be primarily twenty and thirty somethings.  The acquisition of a taste for any real ballet does in fact take time.  But ultimately yes, ballet will survive.

As for Jerome Robbins, while he did create some of his best ballets in the 40s and 50s, don&#039;t forget some of the terrific ones he did in subsequent decades: Dances At A Gathering, Glass Pieces, In the Night, Four Seasons, The Goldberg VAriations, I&#039;m Old Fashioned, and In G Major - just to name a few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s great that Christopher Wheeldon is trying to make ballet more relevant to young people but keep in mind that most young people who are willing to go to dance events are still  likely to prefer &#8220;Love Songs&#8221; and &#8220;Batty Moves&#8221; to any type of classical ballet, including such masterpieces as Swan Lake, Sleeping Beauty, Giselle, Serenade, Concerto BArocco, and Symphony in C.   This is, after all, the age of rap and hip hop and most young people have not yet developed the personal maturity and aesthetic taste to appreciate the classical and neoclassical works of such great choreographers as Petipa, Fokine, Balanchine, Ashton and Robbins.  That&#8217;s the bad news but it&#8217;s no reason for despair.  Because the good news is that if they start to develop some appreciation of dance when they are young, they might eventually, as they get a little older, develop an understanding and appreciation of classical and neoclassical ballet.  I did not start attending the ballet on a regular basis until I was 40 years old and at that time most of the other people in the audience were older (and in many cases, much older) than I.  I think that has always been the case.  So yes, it&#8217;s wonderful that Wheeldon is trying to reach out to a younger audience and there are others who share Wheeldon&#8217;s vision and will support his efforts but don&#8217;t expect the audiences for future Morphoses programs to be primarily twenty and thirty somethings.  The acquisition of a taste for any real ballet does in fact take time.  But ultimately yes, ballet will survive.</p>
<p>As for Jerome Robbins, while he did create some of his best ballets in the 40s and 50s, don&#8217;t forget some of the terrific ones he did in subsequent decades: Dances At A Gathering, Glass Pieces, In the Night, Four Seasons, The Goldberg VAriations, I&#8217;m Old Fashioned, and In G Major &#8211; just to name a few.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Free Political Forum &#187; Tooth and Consequences</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Speaking of dance (since the death of Johnny Carson, I aspire to be the Prince of Segues, though clearly I still have a ways to go), Tonya Plank javelins into the tempestuous thick of City Center&#8217;s Fall for Dance festivities. [...]</description>
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